00:00:00:00 - 00:00:08:14 Amy Hecht Hi and welcome back to another episode of Connect with VP Hecht, your podcast for all things student life at Florida State University. 00:00:13:06 - 00:00:28:15 Amy Hecht Today I have two special guests with me, Julenny Rodriguez, our assistant director of Fraternity and Sorority Life, and Jibril Mustafa, the president of NPHC. So let's get started. Jibril, what is NPHC? What does it stand for? 00:00:28:15 - 00:00:46:09 Jibril So the National Pan-Hellenic Council or NPHC, we’re the governing body or council of nine black Greek letter organizations and we were founded just to promote unity, service and collaboration at a time where these things weren't accessible to us. 00:00:46:09 - 00:00:47:23 Jibril Back in those dark times. 00:00:47:23 - 00:00:57:00 Amy Hecht So some of our listeners and folks watching may want to join in a NPHC group. What does that look like? What is recruitment look like in NPHC? 00:00:57:00 - 00:00:58:13 Jabril And 00:00:58:13 - 00:01:01:00 Jibril for MPAC we do things a little bit differently. 00:01:01:00 - 00:01:11:18 Jibril Each chapter can select which semester they want to do intake, whether the fall or the spring, as well as how many members they would like to have. And as far as joining requirements, 00:01:11:18 - 00:01:13:19 Jibril those vary by organization. 00:01:13:19 - 00:01:18:11 Jibril But generally they'll have an academic piece. So you want to be in good academic standing. 00:01:18:17 - 00:01:21:18 Jibril Have some different campus involvements as well as 00:01:21:18 - 00:01:29:10 Jibril being true to yourself and your character. You want to find an organization that's true to yourself, and you don't want to align yourself with a different organization. 00:01:29:18 - 00:01:37:05 Amy Hecht How do students learn about all Divine Nine - and what they want to join and when they might have an opportunity? 00:01:37:05 - 00:01:59:03 Jibril well, we I was saying and NPC it would be like, “do your research”. That's what a lot of people would say. And what that basically means is, you know, going on the internet and kind of finding what's learning more about NPHC as a whole at first ,and then learning about the individual organizations, you know, like their founders, why they were founded and the different kind of like values and things that they stand for. 00:01:59:05 - 00:02:12:20 Jibril And then once you kind of get that that broader piece, you can go to your own campus and kind of meet the brothers or the sisters that they have on campus. You know, just go to their events, get to know them because you want to find people that, like I said before, that you can kind of connect with and you kind of confirm that bond with 00:02:12:20 - 00:02:15:11 Amy Hecht I want to talk more about the recruitment process. 00:02:15:11 - 00:02:26:16 Amy Hecht what does it look like? A student knows they want to join. They've done their research, they've figured it out, and now they're making that step to raise their hand. So what does that look like? 00:02:26:20 - 00:02:29:01 Amy Hecht And do they have to start with our FSL office? 00:02:29:01 - 00:02:31:23 Juju there's definitely the FSL requirements that we have. So within 00:02:31:23 - 00:02:41:16 Juju all of our organizations, whether it's Panhellenic, IFC, UGC and NPHC, MGC, there's a mandatory orientation. You must attend the orientation this semester. You're looking to join, 00:02:41:17 - 00:02:41:20 Juju be. 00:02:41:20 - 00:02:41:23 Juju be. 00:02:41:23 - 00:02:44:04 Amy Hecht Able to know the semester you want to join. 00:02:44:09 - 00:02:51:14 Amy Hecht So if I don't, I do it, do the orientation, but don't join. And then the next semester, I have to take it again. 00:02:51:17 - 00:03:02:03 Juju Yes, you do have to attend the orientation. So like, let's say for this upcoming fall, you're interested in joining an organization. You go to orientation, but you're like, okay, I'm not going to be able to join the semester. 00:03:02:03 - 00:03:02:17 Juju And your plan... 00:03:02:17 - 00:03:02:19 Juju plan... 00:03:02:19 - 00:03:04:04 Amy Hecht Is maybe they're not taking a 00:03:04:13 - 00:03:07:17 Juju Then you would have to attend this in the spring as well. 00:03:07:17 - 00:03:10:11 Juju very important to know the semester you're looking to join. This is, 00:03:10:11 - 00:03:13:05 Juju also the semester you have to attend orientation. 00:03:13:05 - 00:03:19:22 Juju And then there's our hazing modules and on prevention zone and also our FSL module. There's just a little learn a little learn about, 00:03:19:22 - 00:03:25:19 Juju know, just some hazing 101 pieces as well as a little bit about what fraternity life is, especially here at FSU. 00:03:25:21 - 00:03:28:12 Juju And then we also have our ASP verification forum that, 00:03:28:12 - 00:03:46:20 Juju everyone who is interested in joining orientation goes in, And just to make sure you're a full time student as one of our requirements. So those are just our FSL requirements. And orientation is really just a space for those those interested in joining to get some information, get some trainings and workshops and just know what they're getting ready for. 00:03:46:20 - 00:03:49:03 Juju Yeah. As they look to join an organization. 00:03:49:09 - 00:03:55:10 Amy Hecht And they may go to orientation before they know if they're chapter they want to join is even taking a line. 00:03:55:10 - 00:03:55:18 Amy Hecht Yeah. 00:03:55:18 - 00:03:59:11 Amy Hecht So they need to be proactive and on top of things to make sure they're meeting these requirements. 00:03:59:13 - 00:04:01:07 Juju Absolutely. And many of our, 00:04:01:07 - 00:04:02:05 Juju students may have, 00:04:02:05 - 00:04:06:08 Juju students who come up and be like, oh, I'm interested in joining. What do I have to do? So our, 00:04:06:08 - 00:04:15:03 Juju organizations are, well, well prepared and saying, oh, make sure you go to orientation so that they can learn. And even if they don't go to orientation in the fall and they're like, I don't know if I'm ready yet. 00:04:15:06 - 00:04:15:15 Juju Yep. 00:04:15:15 - 00:04:23:01 Juju Cool. You got the great got some great information out of it. That way you're well informed. And if you're ready to join in the spring, come back and we'll get you ready and prepped. 00:04:23:01 - 00:04:26:20 Juju those are more of our FSL side of things. When it comes to NPHC, 00:04:26:20 - 00:04:28:23 Juju lot of it is going to that informational. 00:04:29:01 - 00:04:33:07 Juju So you learn how much is it going to cost me? Is there an application process? 00:04:33:07 - 00:04:35:04 Juju it might have having to do an interview, 00:04:35:04 - 00:04:36:06 Juju which there is usually an interview. 00:04:36:08 - 00:04:40:14 Amy Hecht Process and each chapter might be very different. So they really need to focus on the group. They want 00:04:40:19 - 00:04:42:11 Amy Hecht join to hear what those are. 00:04:42:11 - 00:04:53:13 Juju Absolutely. And so once you kind of go through and let's say, you get the approval and you, you get that invitation to move forward. Congratulations. You have now started your new member education process. 00:04:53:13 - 00:04:56:19 Juju So you go to numerous meetings where you learn about, 00:04:56:19 - 00:05:02:02 Juju the organization, you learn about the history, you get to meet individuals, maybe some alum, 00:05:02:02 - 00:05:03:23 Juju so that you can start building that network. 00:05:04:03 - 00:05:05:22 Juju So it's really just a time 00:05:05:22 - 00:05:14:23 Juju where we say that piece of discretion they like to talk about is really just that area of focus. Your focus while you're going to school, while also learning that organization during that time. 00:05:14:23 - 00:05:20:22 Juju And then you're also probably practicing for that new member presentation at the same time, if the organization decides to do, 00:05:20:22 - 00:05:23:02 Juju new member presentation, you'll probably be preparing, 00:05:23:02 - 00:05:26:08 Juju and come new member presentation day and you're out to the public. 00:05:26:08 - 00:05:29:14 Juju And hello, welcome to Greek life! 00:05:29:16 - 00:05:42:20 Amy Hecht So it seems very chapter specific and not necessarily a coordinated by the university process. So students need to take the initiative and really stay on top of all the due dates and the meetings. 00:05:43:09 - 00:05:46:02 Amy Hecht In order to show their interest enough. 00:05:46:02 - 00:05:46:15 Amy Hecht 00:05:46:15 - 00:05:47:16 Amy Hecht to have the opportunity to join. 00:05:47:17 - 00:05:48:04 Juju Absolutely. 00:05:48:04 - 00:05:51:12 Juju And with MGC but specifically NPHC, 00:05:51:12 - 00:05:55:16 Juju our orientation is usually always within that first 2 or 3 weeks of this semester. 00:05:55:16 - 00:06:02:20 Juju if you're interested in like, okay, I want to know more, I want to make sure I have all my requirements. You can go to our website, go to the NPHC website, 00:06:02:20 - 00:06:03:17 Juju come by the office. 00:06:03:17 - 00:06:08:22 Juju And we're more than happy to make sure that you have all the dates and information that you need to make sure you're best prepared to join. 00:06:08:22 - 00:06:25:18 Amy Hecht So I know that NPHC is diverse. Tell me more about the diversity that's within it. I know they're started as historically black fraternities and sororities, but there's a lot more diversity now. So it's open to anyone who has an interest and shows commitment.? 00:06:25:22 - 00:06:26:17 Jibril Yeah. So 00:06:26:17 - 00:06:30:21 Jibril like you said before, they're historically black organizations, but 00:06:30:21 - 00:06:33:12 Jibril they're not exclusive. Yeah. We're not. Yeah. 00:06:33:12 - 00:06:34:12 Juju All right. Yeah. 00:06:34:16 - 00:06:35:04 Amy Hecht So 00:06:35:04 - 00:06:48:04 Amy Hecht what is the time commitment like for a new member? They decide they want to join. They've done their research. They show up. What is the time commitment like both. When you're going through the process and after initiation. 00:06:48:04 - 00:06:49:18 Jibril one thing that's in FSL office, 00:06:49:18 - 00:06:52:08 Jibril once you join one of these organizations, It's kind of like adding 00:06:52:08 - 00:06:53:08 Jibril a three hour course. 00:06:53:08 - 00:06:59:07 Jibril And it's really about what you put into it. So if you want your work to do well on campus, you're going to put a lot of work in 00:06:59:07 - 00:07:04:13 Jibril you know, outside of the chapter meetings, outside of, you know, the general body meetings that you guys may have. 00:07:04:15 - 00:07:07:12 Jibril So it's really just you get it, you get out what you put in. 00:07:07:12 - 00:07:21:23 Juju Absolutely. And I think there's even that a little bit of an added piece to NPHC with that idea of do your research, you kind of kind of have to commit to learning who these organizations are and what you're looking at join before you even made that decision. So like, okay, I'm going to 00:07:21:23 - 00:07:23:17 Juju step forward and go to that informational. 00:07:23:17 - 00:07:24:12 Juju or 00:07:24:12 - 00:07:26:09 Juju go to that rush meeting or, 00:07:26:09 - 00:07:34:08 Juju I'm going to go to these events to really show my commitment that I'm ready to join and move that step forward and kind of receive that information of like, okay, cool. 00:07:34:10 - 00:07:39:06 Juju So what's the next step? So there's that piece of also learning that commitment 00:07:39:06 - 00:07:43:18 Juju I've done the research. Yeah. Now I have to put the step forward and let them know that I'm interested. 00:07:44:04 - 00:07:58:15 Amy Hecht And one of the things I think NPHC does better than the some of the other councils, is it is truly a lifetime commitment. Can you talk about that and the way in which when you graduate, you'll continue with your organization and what does that look like? 00:07:58:15 - 00:07:59:16 Jabril And 00:07:59:16 - 00:08:05:09 Jibril so the lifetime commitment piece it comes from, just like the really vast network that we have. 00:08:05:09 - 00:08:06:18 Jibril I can say from my own experience, 00:08:06:18 - 00:08:07:19 Jibril I took a trip to Maryland 00:08:07:19 - 00:08:14:13 Jibril you know, I had, like, my wristband and I had my lanyard hanging out, and my mom was going to get a rental car. And 00:08:14:13 - 00:08:16:16 Jibril guy that gave at the rental car place, he had the same bracelet that I had on. 00:08:16:21 - 00:08:21:21 Jibril And he's like, oh, you're you're a member of my fraternity. You can have any car that you want on this lot. 00:08:22:00 - 00:08:23:09 Amy Hecht Oh, God, you got a perk, 00:08:23:09 - 00:08:25:13 Jibril yeah, yeah. So it's like one of those, 00:08:25:13 - 00:08:27:19 Jibril pieces as well as like the alumni chapters that we have. 00:08:27:19 - 00:08:33:03 Jibril And they go based on like, the city. So there's one in Tallahassee that we have, like, once we graduate, we can join one of those. 00:08:33:03 - 00:08:37:00 Jibril Or if I want to go back home to Tampa, I can have quite a few number of 00:08:37:00 - 00:08:40:19 Jibril alumni chapters in Tampa as well. And it's really just about, you know, just giving back. 00:08:40:19 - 00:08:43:22 Jibril I got that generous offer to me as well, paying it forward and give someone 00:08:44:05 - 00:08:55:09 Amy Hecht And it's an incredible network for you both personally and professionally wherever you move after graduation. And so that's something folks thinking about this should consider that this is a lifetime commitment, not just 00:08:55:09 - 00:08:57:14 Amy Hecht for their four years or a couple years at Florida State. 00:08:57:14 - 00:08:58:08 Juju Yes. 00:08:58:10 - 00:09:05:09 Amy Hecht Now, what year in school is the ideal time to pursue joining NPHC, in your opinion? 00:09:05:09 - 00:09:06:22 Jibril In my opinion. 00:09:06:22 - 00:09:23:21 Jibril I would say probably your sophomore year may be just around there, just so you have a chance to get those campus involvements. You kind of get a feel because it's not easy to adjust to college as it is. So you kind of want to adjust first, you know, get that good network of friends and support system beforehand. 00:09:23:23 - 00:09:32:21 Jibril Get that GPA up if you know, you need to do those kind of things. So I joined my sophomore year because it’s like the perfect time for me. And I feel like that's kind of like it's a good time to. 00:09:32:21 - 00:09:36:12 Amy Hecht Okay. And now you're president of NPHC so you're doing something right? 00:09:36:12 - 00:09:36:17 Juju Right. 00:09:36:20 - 00:09:39:09 Amy Hecht Very good, very good. Juju do you agree? 00:09:39:09 - 00:09:45:21 Juju I do agree, especially within the NPHC Council, you're going to see a lot of our members join their sophomore, junior year. 00:09:45:21 - 00:09:54:23 Juju I do think maybe a lot of our students lean towards junior year just so they can give a little that first year. They're adjusting to college that second year, like, oh, I am interested. What do I have to do? 00:09:55:01 - 00:09:57:08 Juju So then they're like, oh, I'm ready. My junior year, 00:09:57:08 - 00:10:01:20 Juju and a lot of our sophomores are coming in with that idea. They already know what MPAC is. 00:10:01:20 - 00:10:03:00 Juju So they'll come in there like, 00:10:03:00 - 00:10:08:00 Juju right, freshman year, I'm gonna make sure I have my grades together. I'll make sure I show commitment so that they're ready their sophomore year to 00:10:08:00 - 00:10:08:13 Juju to join. 00:10:08:13 - 00:10:19:08 Amy Hecht Is it an expensive endeavor for those watching? What's kind of the cost? Do you find it burdensome, or is it manageable for your average FSU student? 00:10:19:08 - 00:10:23:00 Jibril Honestly, I'm not too sure about the other organizations. I for my own, 00:10:23:00 - 00:10:31:16 Jibril we had dues. There were about $2,500 or so, but that, kind of that covered our entire undergrad. So it wasn't like we were paying those every semester or every 00:10:31:16 - 00:10:33:07 Jibril year, like you see other times, 00:10:33:07 - 00:10:34:05 Juju So they vary. 00:10:34:05 - 00:10:36:22 Juju They do range in the thousands. 00:10:37:00 - 00:10:37:09 Amy Hecht Okay. 00:10:37:21 - 00:10:38:01 Juju and. 00:10:38:01 - 00:10:41:00 Amy Hecht They can pay those over time or is it a one time fee? 00:10:41:03 - 00:10:45:00 Juju Most organizations do require a the payment to be due by a certain date. 00:10:45:02 - 00:10:45:22 Amy Hecht Okay. 00:10:46:03 - 00:10:53:18 Juju So they may say, okay, you can pay in different times during this time, but it needs to be paid by the date to be able to continue. 00:10:53:18 - 00:10:58:23 Juju But there is usually a deadline regarding that payment, and most organizations will provide you all that information 00:10:59:01 - 00:11:01:02 Amy Hecht So, you can save up or you can talk to your 00:11:01:02 - 00:11:02:23 Amy Hecht parents. You can figure out how you're going to do this. this. 00:11:02:23 - 00:11:04:18 Juju So there is a financial commitment to it. 00:11:04:18 - 00:11:09:05 Juju it is a very much to each student who is prepared and ready to make their financial, 00:11:09:05 - 00:11:09:23 Juju commitment. 00:11:09:23 - 00:11:14:14 Juju I personally will say anything over a thousand, a little bit of a commitment to make, 00:11:14:14 - 00:11:23:01 Juju but it is a commitment that our students who have joined, it's the commitment that they want to make, because even just a membership to join is also membership to maintain. 00:11:23:03 - 00:11:23:11 Amy Hecht Yes. 00:11:23:11 - 00:11:24:18 Juju So there's membership 00:11:24:18 - 00:11:28:20 Juju to keep your active status or if you have to pay regional dues or 00:11:28:20 - 00:11:33:18 Juju national dues on an annual basis, or however that may look like for the organization. 00:11:33:22 - 00:11:34:07 Amy Hecht Okay, 00:11:34:07 - 00:11:48:15 Amy Hecht so one visible piece that students who aren't Greek know about NPHC, is stepping and strolling. And if any of our students have gone to Market Wednesday, you've seen our amazing groups. What is stepping, strolling? For those that don't know. 00:11:49:03 - 00:11:51:01 Jibril That's a good question. 00:11:51:01 - 00:11:55:06 Jibril Strolling... Well I’ll go stepping first. Stepping is pretty easy to explain. 00:11:55:06 - 00:11:59:16 Jibril Stepping is more of like a rhythmic performance that we do. 00:11:59:16 - 00:12:13:20 Jibril We can we'll clap, we'll stomp. And it's mostly just like making music with our bodies. We beat with our bodies. Strolling like you said, at market Wednesday. It's more of a it's more performative, and it'll be more like synchronized movements to like, music. 00:12:13:22 - 00:12:16:21 Jibril So I don't have you seen on like Mark on Wednesday or like the internet? 00:12:16:21 - 00:12:19:14 Jibril My fraternity, Kappa Alpha Laboratory incorporated. 00:12:19:14 - 00:12:22:13 Jibril We're best known for our shimmying our shoulders and 00:12:22:13 - 00:12:26:11 Jibril the internet and like to pretty boy swag and different things like that. And, 00:12:26:11 - 00:12:29:13 Jibril like that music is, like, very unique to the organization. 00:12:29:13 - 00:12:35:18 Jibril You won’t see a lot of times, see like different orgs strolling to like a different org’s music, stuff like that. 00:12:35:18 - 00:12:40:02 Juju yeah. I was going to say because each, each organization has something unique within their strolling, 00:12:40:02 - 00:12:42:01 Juju whether that's their they add their hand sign. 00:12:42:01 - 00:12:44:05 Juju or maybe it's not called sterling. It's called hopping. 00:12:44:05 - 00:12:51:09 Juju Right. So I think it's it's very unique for each organization because they'll add their hand size or add their calls, or they'll add their shimmy, 00:12:51:09 - 00:12:55:13 Juju like Kappa Alpha Psi , so that when you're looking at it or you're looking at them. 00:12:55:13 - 00:12:55:22 Juju Yeah. 00:12:55:22 - 00:12:57:11 Juju Stroll you're like, oh, I know who that is. 00:12:57:11 - 00:12:57:14 Juju is. 00:12:57:14 - 00:12:57:19 Juju Yes. 00:12:57:19 - 00:13:01:06 Juju Right. So it's something the both in the stepping and strolling. 00:13:01:12 - 00:13:03:00 Amy Hecht A little bit of a trademark of the 00:13:03:00 - 00:13:03:19 Amy Hecht organization. 00:13:03:19 - 00:13:04:08 Juju Yes. 00:13:04:17 - 00:13:24:20 Amy Hecht One of the pieces I thought was so special when we did our ribbon cutting on the NPHC park, which you all should check out right next to the Student Union, was to see the alumni come back. Yeah. And join into the stroll, because they still had the moves, you know, 20, 30 years later showed there is that beautiful history. 00:13:24:22 - 00:13:34:04 Amy Hecht And it seems like a uniting factor for your brothers or the sisters. Do you find that? And did you get that sense? Were you at the ribbon cutting? Do you see? 00:13:34:04 - 00:13:41:22 Jibril It's it's funny cause like, chapter's like, we'll have, we'll put on the same strolls that we always do. But also if you go, like, nationally, 00:13:41:22 - 00:13:55:07 Jibril I've gone to many conferences with my fraternity and we'll always, like, bounce ideas off of each other and like, we'll, we'll learn a stroll from, like, California. We'll bring it to Florida and then definitely like, that can really just unite all of us together. 00:13:55:07 - 00:14:01:22 Amy Hecht Looking back, what is your favorite memory or experience you had in your chapter or now as council president? 00:14:02:19 - 00:14:04:00 Jibril My favorite memory, 00:14:06:22 - 00:14:09:04 Jibril I would probably say my new member presentation. 00:14:09:04 - 00:14:10:23 Jibril Just because I guess very unique to FcPS. 00:14:10:23 - 00:14:21:15 Jibril It's like a big reveal that, you know, you would have with the brothers that you're coming into, like, line brothers and things like that. And, me and my line brothers, you know, we were practicing and practicing and practicing. 00:14:21:18 - 00:14:31:01 Amy Hecht And before then, most people don't know you were joining. Yeah. So this is kind of the big reveal for everyone to know. Who are the new guys 00:14:31:01 - 00:14:31:13 Amy Hecht or girls. 00:14:31:15 - 00:14:48:06 Jibril Yeah. And so it was just really like a lot of emotions, like, very, like exciting to see. Like, my mom was there. My sister surprised me there. And like, I had my friends there and my boss was there. And it's just like a big reveal. They're all there to support me as well as, like my, my line brothers too, like they're all behind me. 00:14:48:06 - 00:14:51:16 Jibril So it was really like really big moment for all of us. Really. That's 00:14:51:16 - 00:14:53:08 Amy Hecht amazing. It's amazing. All 00:14:53:11 - 00:15:11:18 Amy Hecht right, well, it is time now for Ask Amy. So the question we received is we hear a lot from NPHC members. If you are interested in joining to “do your research”, which you mentioned before digging deeper, what does do your research mean? How did you do your research? 00:15:11:18 - 00:15:12:20 Jibril So coming into 00:15:12:20 - 00:15:24:04 Jibril college, I didn't really I didn't know too much about Greek life. Like, I knew like, I knew about fraternities, sororities. But I didn't have those key, key details when it came to joining. So it was more of 00:15:24:04 - 00:15:25:13 Jabril going on. I was on the internet. 00:15:25:13 - 00:15:25:16 Jabril Yeah. 00:15:25:22 - 00:15:28:02 Amy Hecht I was a great resource. Yes. 00:15:28:02 - 00:15:32:01 Jibril And I was looking at like, all the fraternities like, oh, what is it like? What is 00:15:32:01 - 00:15:46:09 Jibril what is this like, what do they do? Different things like that. Then I was kind of trying to connect what's on the internet to what I saw with my eyes. So I was going to market Wednesday and I'm seeing them stroll step and hop, and then I go back to the internet like, oh, why do they do that? 00:15:46:09 - 00:15:49:07 Jibril What does that mean? And then like just doing my research, I 00:15:49:07 - 00:16:06:19 Jibril dig I dug deeper and deeper and I found that, you know, some fraternities are about scholarship, some fraternities are about achievement. And it was more about like trying to figure out where I could see myself. And that's kind of how I started it. And once from there, I just went to events like NPHC 101. 00:16:07:00 - 00:16:15:11 Jibril I would go to the Involvement Fair just to get to know the brothers that were a part of the fraternity. And yeah, I went to their, informational meetings and everything like that. 00:16:15:11 - 00:16:22:04 Amy Hecht Did you find it difficult to the young freshman or sophomore to just go introduce yourself to some older students? 00:16:22:04 - 00:16:23:20 Jibril honestly, it was very nerve wracking. 00:16:23:20 - 00:16:27:12 Jibril I was very nervous, but it was one of those things where 00:16:27:12 - 00:16:37:04 Jibril it's either day 1 or 1 day. And so we were like, let's make it day one. So we took that step out and we just went ahead and, and was just off to different brothers and things. 00:16:37:07 - 00:16:49:15 Amy Hecht Well, and that's great advice, especially for our new students who are coming to Florida State to jump in because, look, it worked out really well for you clearly. So we're glad you weren't too afraid to approach. Yeah. 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